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Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:35:00 -
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Going to support this. Even thought it WILL happen and there is nothing the player base, much less the lolcsm can do about it. It will mean more money for CCP, which they will not let anyone prevent them from doing.
Oh well... 
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Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Wouldn't it be wonderful if CCP had a group of players they could consult in advance that were not seeded with their own agendas pushing for whatever benefits their nap train coalition before of making changes like this, a group that could give them feedback on the possible player reaction?
Fixed. This is probably why they never consult you guys on a lot of stuff. They never know if your going to give feedback based on what is best for the eve community or what is best for your personal agenda. Can't really blame them for not checking with you tbh.
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Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:22:00 -
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Flame if you want, but if this goes live, I'm cancelling my subscriptions.
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Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:09:00 -
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NOOO!!!
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Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:47:00 -
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This will hit 20 pages in 24 hrs or less.
T-T-T-T-T-T-THREADNOUGHT IS A GO!
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Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2010.09.24 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mr LaForge
To all those that say they will quit if/when this goes in TQ. No you won't. You'll ***** and moan though but you won't quit. You'll probably even buy a PLEX off the market for a remap that you may need.
The last two years in EVE have been kinda 'meh' for me. A lot of broken promises and a lot of broken features. The Dominion expansion probably was the worst. I was looking forward to everything it promised about sov changes and it opening the door for more people to get into 0.0 without having to become part of power blocks or renting and such. It in fact did nothing like that, actually the opposite happened. So for you to say no one will quit is a foolish statement.
This whole PLEX thing, first the introduction of PLEX to help curb the issue with the illegal buying of ISK with real money. I thought it was a good idea, but it should have stopped there. Then they introduced the ability for PLEX to be able to be moved around. The sole reason for this, and this alone, was so PLEX could be blown up. Why? So it would be free money for CCP. Thats it. The only reason. Soon you will be able to use PLEX to get free attribute remaps.
The reason someone does a remap is so they train faster. What next? Use PLEX to buy faction gear?
There are several critical reasons why I came to EVE:
1. One server, no chasing the population around.
2. When I blow **** up, I can take it. Or they can, but you get the idea. A players ship exploding has meaning.
3. You can do anything. None of this class stuff where you are only allowed to use/fly certain things.
4. Aside from the monthly subscription fee, real money would not give a player an advantage over other players. The game is a cold, dark and unforgiving place. That is nice, but this aspect has always been the even playing field. It is where no matter who you are, no matter what you do, no matter where you are in the world. Here, is where we all are equal.
This reply is far longer than I had anticipated, but those four critical things is what brought me to the game. Those four things is what has kept playing this game for over 5 years at probably 30+ hours a week. I promise you this. If this happens, then number four will no longer apply to this game.
Now you can sit there and argue that there is no better MMO out there like EVE so I wont leave till your blue in the face. Even if this is true, it does not mean I have to subscribe. You can also argue that there is no way to keep real life money from affecting the game, but that is no reason to throw in the towel and have the attitude, "Well, if I can't prevent world hunger, there is no reason to try."
TL;DR: This goes live, I promise you I will quit the game. So lick my nuts Mr LaAlt. No you can't have my stuff.
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Marconus Orion
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Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.27 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: el Sabor
Doesn't bother me since I get the same advantage by planning my training long term.
WRONG!
At max learning skills, you have a total of 96.8 with an average of 19.36 per attribute.
If someone who remaps to get max learning on each skill they will train as if they have 121 total skill points with an average of 24.2 per attribute.
They will train faster than you. So it essentally means real life money = faster skill training.
But with CCP keeping quite and they fully programed the feature already, there is no stopping this PLEX to train faster feature. Oh well.
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Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2010.09.27 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Wrong.
You can put a maximum of 15 points into any attribute for a remap. Regardless of how often you remap, you can only put 15 points into any attribute. If you do put 15 points into one attribute, you'll only have enough points left to put 9 into a second attribute.
Correct.
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Creative shuffling of neural remaps will allow someone to plot an optimum training plan to fly a battleship a week earlier, with the skill training plan over 2 years evening out with someone who stayed the patient course training all the Int/Mem skills in one block, then remapped to Per/Wil. For each different optimal plan, add another year for the break even: if you want to do a Cha/Wil for leadership and trade skills, add an extra year to the one-per-year remapping plan, and you'll break even. The person who buys neural remaps is not buying SP faster than you, they're just buying access to skills (and thus equipment or activities) earlier in their training plan than someone who isn't purchasing extra remaps.
You contradict yourself. You truly do not have a grasp on how this works. You honestly think some who can remap a often as they want will not complete a year or two year skill plan faster than someone who can only remap once a year? You entire argument is hinging on a skill plan that uses the same two attributes the whole year. No one does that.
Originally by: Mara Rinn
The extra points added by implants and learning skills are irrelevant to the discussion of neural remaps.
I would not say that because both amplified the difference between someone who remap once a year and someone with unlimited remap.
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Marconus Orion
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Posted - 2010.09.28 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
I'm not contradicting myself. Over a 2 year period, the person sticking to 1 remap to switch from Int/Mem to Per/Wil will achieve the same training goals as the person switching infinitely many times between Int/Mem and Per/Wil remaps.
Ok buddy. You do your full year of nothing but training skills with the same primary and secondary attribute only. I salute you for such dedication on never deciding to train anything else during that full year.
"Hey guys. My engineering skills are 1337!!!!!"
"Nice. What ships can you fly?"
"Well... um... I can fly any Gallente t1 frigate and shuttles."
"Umm.... GTFO!"
Anyways... you have fun with that. 
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